Netflix's Tim Dillon Calls Hannah Einbinder a "Dumb Bitch" and "Psychopath" for Pro-Palestine Speech
"It was a Roman salute, you dumb bitch."
In a new, Patreon-exclusive episode of his podcast The Tim Dillon Show, Netflix’s Tim Dillon called Hacks star Hannah Einbinder a “dumb bitch” and a “psychopath” during commentary on her speech condemning Donald Trump, climate inaction, and the US-backed genocide in Gaza as she accepted an award from the Human Rights Campaign this week.
Dillon, who in 2021 was banned from Airbnb after launching a harassment campaign against the lesbian couple who owned a Palm Springs rental he threatened to burn down, clarified that he largely agreed with Einbinder’s comments about Palestine. What bothered him, he said, was her smug tone and what he took as her implication that he himself was complicit in the genocide.
The comedian, a white nationalist and 9/11 truther who sold subprime mortgages prior to the subprime mortgage crisis, also took issue with the idea that it is controversial to condemn the genocide or US support of Israel more broadly. Coincidentally, he released the episode the same day that Variety reported on Disney’s efforts to stifle Snow White star Rachel Zegler’s pro-Palestine comments. One day earlier, the New York Times reported on the Trump Administration’s attempt to deport a 21-year-old Columbia student and legal resident who participated in pro-Palestine demonstrations.
Excerpts from Dillon’s commentary with his guest Ray Kump follow below. I’m sharing them because they reflect the natural endpoint of the contrarian impulse that defines his school of comedy. As he says over and over again, he agrees with Einbinder. (With exceptions: during a part of her speech condemning oil executives, for instance, Dillon says, “The reality is, we've never found something to replace oil.”) But because she is a liberal—and, I might suggest, a woman—accepting an award from an organization he elsewhere lampoons for its support of trans people, it’s not good enough for her to say things she agrees with. Her tone is wrong, she’s smug and performative, she’s making it about him, the guy who voluntarily watched her speech and talked about it on his podcast.
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Toward the end of the excerpts, you’ll see the logical contortions it takes to maintain this stance. After scorning the idea that pro-Palestinian activism is controversial, Dillon and Kump argue that “there is no debate” over the matter, because the US government is fully behind Israel. Later, they ask why she waited until the genocide was in progress to make this anti-genocide speech. As usual, the proud freethinking comedians don’t seem to understand what political speech actually looks like. Their only real principle is nihilism.
Einbinder: [In a video played during the episode] As a queer person, as a Jewish person, and as an American, I am horrified—
Kump: America came last, by the way.
Einbinder: ...By the Israeli government's massacre of well over 65,000 Palestinians in Gaza. I am ashamed and infuriated.
Dillon: By the way, stop this for a minute, she's presenting this as if it's a hot take, like she's really rising something by saying this. This is the having your cake and you eat it too. Where you go, "I can't believe I'm about to say this. As a Jewish American, I am horrified." It's no longer a hot take to say that killing 65,000 people, many of them children, is not good. Not good.
Einbinder: This mass murder is funded by our American tax dollars. It should not be controversial to say that we should all be against murdering civilians. I mourn for all of the Palestinian lives taken by the Israeli government, entire families and bloodlines destroyed. I also mourn deeply for the 1,200 Israelis killed by Hamas on October 7th and the ongoing suffering of the Israeli hostages. I know that calling for a ceasefire and the release of all hostages begs for the safety, security, and preservation of life of both Palestinians and Israelis. I know that my call for a liberated Palestine comes from a desire for mutual safety of all people living in the region, and I know that my condemnation—
Kump: Wait, why are you saying "I know" about things you're saying?
Dillon: It's acting.
Kump: It's crazy.
Dillon: It's acting. But my thing here with a lot of this is, what is your take? What is the point? Killing's bad?
Kump: "Look, I know I'm Jewish, but I'm also gay."
Dillon: She's like, "I'm going to say it. I'll say it. Killing babies is bad." It's like, "Wait." But she couldn't say it without saying, "But also the 1,200..." Well, she's got to.
Kump: Well, look, then you might as well not say it. I'm not saying you should do either one.
Dillon: No, but I get what you're saying too.
Kump: It's kind of toothless.
Dillon: You're trying to have it all ways. You're trying to have your cake and eat it too. And we've had our cake and had it too, but we pay the consequences. We pay dearly. And Jews don't buy our cake. We buy our own cake. So I'm listening to this and she goes, "And I mourn deeply."
Kump: And I don't even know what this is for. I guess they invited her, but—
Dillon: I don't know what anything's for anymore. We're living in a time now where, truly, I don't know what anything is for. I don't know what this is. I don't know why she's there. I don't why she's talking.
Kump: As much as there's more antisemitism or whatever on X, no one's going to Hannah, at her, and going like, "Hey, you're Jewish. What do you think about Palestine?" No one's really doing that.
Dillon: No one is doing this. There is no debate. Here's the thing. Tucker, Candace, both kind of anti-Israel, both supported Trump. Trump, very pro-Israel. There is no real debate. AOC could pop some shit, whatever, but we don't seem to be deviating in any substantial way from the course of supporting Israel to do whatever it wants.
Kump: Well, we've doubled down greatly, I feel like, with Trump.
Dillon: Oh, no. We're going further in the direction of Israel.
Kump: Way further.
Dillon: We're deporting people that are talking shit on college campuses. So this idea that there's a huge debate, it's fostered by this idea that pundits and views and all these things matter, but when you look at the machinery of government, there's no debate. There's no real debate.
Kump: If you just looked on what happened in the process of government, yeah, it would—
Dillon: There's no debate. They want money, they get the money.
[...]
Einbinder: Donald Trump and the Israeli government have suggested that displaced Palestinians be taken by other countries. We Jews know all too well the pain of having to leave our homelands or face certain death.
Kump: From us.
Einbinder: We people know what it is like to be marginalized and demonized in society without the institutional—
Dillon: You seem marginalized and demonized. That's the problem with people who claim to be marginalized and demonized, they're always in a suit getting an award.
Kump: At a podium.
Dillon: They're in a podium in a suit, getting an award going, "I've been marginalized and demonized." I walked by a bunch of Russians, old Ukrain[ians], they're all in wheelchairs, elderly, but nobody cares. They're just limping around.
Kump: Babushkas.
Dillon: Babushkas. They're throwing fucking bread at the fucking seagull. And it's always a young, good-looking, rich fuck at a podium going, "I've been marginalized." That people are out for her with pitchforks. This woman's mother owns The Groundlings. [Ed. note: no.] She's been loaded since birth, and all they talk about constantly is how marginalized they are. It is grotesque. Grotesque.
[...]
Einbinder: Our histories and communal experiences demand that we recognize this familiar experience and stand in solidarity with Palestinians. That we say no to Trump, no to Netanyahu. As Jewish people, we must say no to the weaponization of our grief for the hostages and our historical trauma to justify murdering civilians. We have to look into the tearful eyes of the children of Palestine orphaned by American bombs and say, "No, never again is now. Never again for anyone." Fascism is rising across the globe.
Kump: Shut up.
Einbinder: We are watching our right to free speech dissolve before our eyes.
Dillon: But also, I still love to work.
[...]
Einbinder: A young activist was ripped away from his eight months pregnant wife in the night with no crime and no warrant, and Donald Trump says this violent disappearance was done to combat anti-Semitism. Mahmoud Khalil standing alongside both Palestinians and many Jewish students calling for the Israeli army to stop dropping bombs on his homeland does not make me feel unsafe. Elon Musk and Steve Bannon heiling Hitler does.
Dillon: It was a Roman salute, you dumb bitch. All right, enough.
Kump: "Being Jewish is about asking questions." Can you do any better?
Dillon: Here's the thing. She's saying things I agree with. I think we shouldn't deport this fucking guy. But why does it feel like, with her tone, that I did this? Why did I blow the Palestinian babies to bits?
[...]
Dillon: I'm like, why is the tone like I did something? What the fuck did I do? Let's finish up. Let's finish this up.
Einbinder: Donald Trump calling a group of white nationalists with tiki torches shouting, "Jews will not replace us" "very fine people" does.
Dillon: He didn't do that. [Ed. note: yes he did.]
Kump: In no version did he do that.
Einbinder: All struggles for liberation will be won by loudly opposing the corporations who fuel the destruction of our planet and the institutions that fuel mass death of our fellow human beings. Visibility is a responsibility. Those of us who have a platform must use our voices—
Dillon: Shut up. No.
Einbinder: ...To ensure that speaking out is not outlawed all together.
Dillon: Trump's going to get a third term.
Einbinder: Thank you.
Dillon: Thank you. They will never stop until he's term four. He'll be 102.
Kump: "Those of us who have a platform—"
Dillon: First of all, everyone has a platform, you psychopath. There is no one without a platform. I don't understand... The MDFoodieBoyz have a platform. God bless them. If those kids start talking about Gaza, we're having them back on the show. But everyone has a platform. This is what she doesn't understand. "Those of us with platforms"—this is the sociopathy. This is the psychopath behavior. "Those of us with platform," you have a show right on HBO Max. It's wacky.
Kump: There's never been a time where more people are famous and a time when you can do less as far as this kind of stuff. Like, "Oh, I'm going to bring exposure to this." We watched this stuff happening in real time and don't care. Nothing on a personal level, but-
Dillon: By the way, where was this speech on October 9th?
Kump: Well, where was this on October 1st? Only because we're dropping bombs do we care?
Dillon: Interesting. That's interesting. Why don't they have you up there going off, queen?
Kump: Seriously. It's not just that we're dropping bombs. They were already in an open-air prison to begin with.
Dillon: Well, here's the deal. This speech is given after they've already killed everyone.
Kump: "You got them? You got the kids? All right, I'm going to go." Anyway, we got to stop this.
Dillon: [Nick] Mullen said this was going to happen. But then goes, when everyone's killed, they're going to get out and start going, "We cannot believe this. This was not in our name." They've killed everyone there, and now, finally, this is coming out.
Kump: If she came out here looking... Look, I don't even know what AIPAC is. I don't know who started it. It does seem weird. I am a Jew, but it seems weird. It's inexplicable.
Dillon: It's very performative, "The murder of the babies."
Kump: "What I learned in Hebrew school of 12 years old is that..."
Dillon: "That doesn't make me feel unsafe. Steve Bannon heiling Hitler..." I'm like, by the way, Steve Bannon is a lot more pro-Israel than the kids at that Columbia sit-in. [Ed. note: ???] Now, I'm not saying that they should be deported, but those protests had wild antisemitism too. So it's fine.
Kump: It's like everything else in this country, I'm not trying to dismiss it, but no one can just—
Dillon: We get it. You don't like antisemitism when it's white men doing it. That's what you don't like. What do you want me to do? This woman's getting angry with me.
Kump: You make a shirt, it's just a guy, just Gaza and Israel and, "What do you want me to do?" Just a guy shrugging.
Dillon: Well, God bless her. Hannah Einbinder of Hacks at the Human Rights Campaign. We appreciate her.
Just as a bonus—and in the interests of recording Dillon’s extensive anti-trans comments—here’s what he and Kump said elsewhere in the episode about HRC. Again, note how they end up arguing against any sort of political expression:
Dillon: Now, the Human Rights Campaign is a gay organization that's never invited me to speak.
Kump: Is this not a UN thing?
Dillon: No, I don't think so. HRC is the gay campaign. When gay marriage and gay adoption got passed, they said, "Well, we're about to lose all of our funding unless we find another group of people that's suffering horribly." And then it was like men who identified as women who wanted to beat up women. And they're like, "We need to start sucking up some funding for them."
Kump: It's kind of a CIA move, calling it that, "It's a Human Rights Campaign." It's really just—
Dillon: Very smart.
Kump: Yeah, it's smart.
Dillon: They know what they're doing. They had a purpose. This is my point. When people run out of their purpose... The HRC is like, "Gay people should be treated like people." Okay. And then they were like, "Trans people." Okay. Now they're like, "Well, now is a spectrum of any and all things and we have to fund the non-discrimination efforts against the tyranny of the two-gender system," which is silly.
Kump: Any charitable organization should have a kill switch in it. If you achieve these markers, it's over.
Dillon: What people don't understand about the trans thing, as I understand it, is that men who want to live as women, live as women. Women who want to live as men, live as men. There are obviously things in sports that make that more complex and there are fairness things, right?
Kump: Sure. Of course.
Dillon: But if a man is trying to look like a woman and uses the women's bathroom, it probably wasn't a massive issue. And if a woman was living as a man, went to the man's bath... We're not even looking. No one cares in the man's bathroom what's going on really.
Kump: And practically speaking, no, I don't think.
Dillon: Practically. Now, I'm sure there's cases here and there. So here's my whole thing. This seems to be catering to the lazy. It seems to be people that say that they're trans, who don't really want to put any work or effort into it, who just throw on a wig, should be able to do all the—if I just throw on a wig, I don't think I can fully expect to be treated as a woman, unless I'm Meghan McCain and it's Joe Rogan.
Kump: I might've mentioned it before, but you can bring up Amy Schneider, if you don't mind, Colin, from Jeopardy. She's a trans and she's not great looking.
Dillon: [Referring to his producer, I believe] Did you call him Colin?
Kump: I'm sorry.
Dillon: No, it's great. It's good. It's good to call young people—they don't deserve names.
Kump: You see it. Not terrible, but not great. Transitioned when he was older. No one's talking about this. Or we're not, at least. It's not a matter of... I wouldn't pass well if I went trans, but the point is, you can't just put a wig on at this point.
[...]
Kump: [After they watch footage of a city council meeting discussing a bill to make Boston a sanctuary city for trans people] Look, it is one thing to be unattractive, but if you go out of your way, you wear literally a purple clown wig, literally, if you make yourself look as every normal metric of attractive... People are not going to like you if you go out of your way to look like a clown. You can't just wear purple hair—these aren't part of nature, these aren't part—you're going out of your way to make a stand, is the point.
Dillon: The whole goal used to be assimilation. And now the goal seems to be to objectify yourself as some type of...
Kump: Is true of everything. If you think about when the civil rights movement happened, when anything progress happened, or whatever, it was always people, you don't remember everyone's names. They were just going there. They're getting people registered to vote, whatever. People are just part of a process. Now, whatever you do here, even if you take them at their word, it's still narcissistic.
Dillon: Listen, I understand. I wear wacky hoodies, I wear wacky glasses, I have a wacky car, but I'm not showing up at a hearing asking for anything. I'm not representing anybody for anything.
Kump: You wouldn't expect a judge to take you seriously.
Tim Dillon: This Is Your Country is streaming on Netflix.
